{"id":1223,"date":"2016-05-19T12:04:13","date_gmt":"2016-05-19T12:04:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/?p=1223"},"modified":"2016-08-19T09:07:08","modified_gmt":"2016-08-19T09:07:08","slug":"petition-pitch-number-two","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/?p=1223","title":{"rendered":"Petition pitch number two"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>On 15th February, the same night as <a title=\"geese\" href=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/?p=1180\" target=\"_blank\">the council&#8217;s scrutiny committee discussed the results of the &#8220;consultation exercise&#8221; into geese and parks<\/a>, we handed in a second paper petition. This concerned the council undertaking non-lethal methods of site management, and also the way in which the council have brought about conflicts between park users in the manner in which they manage the formal parks and open spaces. With particular emphasis, this concerns what happens with the wildfowl that park managers appear unable to see are attracted to a creation of their own making.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1235\" style=\"width: 650px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S5240002.jpg\"><img aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1235\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-1235\" src=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S5240002-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"S5240002\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" srcset=\"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S5240002-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S5240002-300x168.jpg 300w, https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S5240002.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-1235\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Grey skies over the Oldbury Kremlin<\/p><\/div>\n<p>On May 18th, <a title=\"meeting\" href=\"https:\/\/cmis.sandwell.gov.uk\/Cmis5\/Document.ashx?czJKcaeAi5tUFL1DTL2UE4zNRBcoShgo=zdFjCYrqN1NKFTPvIxhbn6SICq5eTgmL9ZCC1sG04G00oZfhPx9AKA%3d%3d&amp;rUzwRPf%2bZ3zd4E7Ikn8Lyw%3d%3d=pwRE6AGJFLDNlh225F5QMaQWCtPHwdhUfCZ%2fLUQzgA2uL5jNRG4jdQ%3d%3d&amp;mCTIbCubSFfXsDGW9IXnlg%3d%3d=hFflUdN3100%3d&amp;kCx1AnS9%2fpWZQ40DXFvdEw%3d%3d=hFflUdN3100%3d&amp;uJovDxwdjMPoYv%2bAJvYtyA%3d%3d=ctNJFf55vVA%3d&amp;FgPlIEJYlotS%2bYGoBi5olA%3d%3d=NHdURQburHA%3d&amp;d9Qjj0ag1Pd993jsyOJqFvmyB7X0CSQK=ctNJFf55vVA%3d&amp;WGewmoAfeNR9xqBux0r1Q8Za60lavYmz=ctNJFf55vVA%3d&amp;WGewmoAfeNQ16B2MHuCpMRKZMwaG1PaO=ctNJFf55vVA%3d\" target=\"_blank\">the agenda\u00a0<\/a>\u00a0of the cabinet petitions committee included a chance to address it, and for officers to report back at a future meeting. This is the statement made in support of the petition, and relevant points are linked with supporting picture evidence. This blog post will be sent to the committee comprising of Councillors Crompton, Hackett and Davies who were present at the meeting.<\/p>\n<p>The recording of the meeting can be downloaded below.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000; font-size: 24pt;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/VN850347.wma\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">VN850347<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&#8220;This petition calls on SMBC to undertake non-lethal methods of site management regards Canada geese in its formal parks and open spaces. Both ourselves and Animal Aid have made recommendations to the council in respect of this, but key to exploring why there appears to be a the \u201cperceived\u201d conflict of interest between these birds and other users lies with SMBC managers themselves.<\/p>\n<p>This is an entirely man-made conflict, facilitated by poor management of formal parks and nature reserves over the last 20 years. Whilst Sandwell has ploughed vast amounts of public money in shaping formal parks with manicured lawns, its nature reserves have been left to rot and become overgrown jungles.<\/p>\n<p>It is this key reason why Canada geese prefer to reside and moult in formal parks, and shun the nature reserve areas. The council \u201cfeed\u201d the geese by providing fresh short grass with a clear line of site right next to the waterside. Meanwhile brambles and nettles are left to thrive, with 3 foot high grass in the nature reserves. The park manager even admitted under scrutiny that <a title=\"management of nature reserves- is not managed for nature\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/950337051658707\/videos\/1406965555995852\/\" target=\"_blank\">their management had not been being carried out satisfactorily<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Into this minefield let\u2019s look at <a title=\"&quot;green flag&quot;\" href=\"http:\/\/www.sandwell.gov.uk\/info\/200249\/parks_in_sandwell\/1625\/victoria_park_tipton\" target=\"_blank\">Victoria Park Tipton<\/a>. Can I ask why it was decided to site most of the parks\u2019 facilities in the area of Victoria Road\/Queens Road including picnic benches near to where the geese are known to graze near the park pool? In minutes from the Victoria Park Steering group 2<sup>nd<\/sup> June 2003, plans are submitted showing a picnic area fenced and enclosed near to the pool, yet these never materialised. The council therefore placed the benches near the pool, and therefore the geese. Why? There were also outline proposals for the park, yet it appears the skate park totalling \u00a3125,000 was the most expensive estimate for \u201cimprovement\u201d costs.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/Scan_20160517-2.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-1238\" src=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/Scan_20160517-2-744x1024.png\" alt=\"Scan_20160517 (2)\" width=\"640\" height=\"880\" srcset=\"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/Scan_20160517-2-744x1024.png 744w, https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/Scan_20160517-2-218x300.png 218w, https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/Scan_20160517-2.png 1700w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/Scan_20160517.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-1239\" src=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/Scan_20160517-744x1024.png\" alt=\"Scan_20160517\" width=\"640\" height=\"880\" srcset=\"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/Scan_20160517-744x1024.png 744w, https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/Scan_20160517-218x300.png 218w, https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/Scan_20160517.png 1700w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This together with the children\u2019s play area, the recycling facilities, the exercise equipment and disabled parking facilities\u00a0were also\u00a0located near to the pool.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/vicp1.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-1240 size-full\" src=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/vicp1.jpg\" alt=\"vicp1\" width=\"756\" height=\"545\" srcset=\"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/vicp1.jpg 756w, https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/vicp1-300x216.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 756px) 100vw, 756px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m sure the people of Mayfair Gardens would have been seen to be fully accommodating in sacrificing their privacy by nurturing the local disadvantaged youth to the heart of their philanthropic bosoms, if the choice had been made to locate all of these facilities nearer to their homes and away from the \u201cdemonic\u201d waterfowl.<\/p>\n<p>Why are road sweepers alleged by park staff to be unable to sweep areas around the park pool because the paths were made too narrow? Why are they only seen in the park for special events like the \u201cfunday\u201d and why were the council comfortable leaving excrement around the lakeside whilst conducting their \u201cconsultation\u201d about geese, thus highlighting only the fact that their ground care regime at the site was in itself \u201ccrap\u201d? Hypocritically the council claimed that this was a risk to the public, yet they appear happy to leave it there, and no direct evidence of harm has ever been presented.<\/p>\n<p>Your 2006 Sandwell Green Spaces audit makes no mention of geese being a problem to members of the public. The <a title=\"saved?\" href=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/?p=1180\" target=\"_blank\">recent consultation revealed that the greater number of people did not consider geese to be \u201ca problem\u201d<\/a> . That really should have been the end of the matter. But questions remain about the council and its management of parks. <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>We would like to see a statement from senior councillors as to the admitted lies told by parks and countryside staff about the culls<\/strong><\/span>, and also the exposed lies concerning the reasons for the original cull report, set out in <strong>our<\/strong> report <span style=\"font-size: 18pt;\"><a title=\"The prejudiced lie\" href=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/The-prejudiced-lie.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cthe prejudiced lie\u201d<\/a> <\/span><\/p>\n<p>which was\u00a0 submitted as a link with this petition. This includes <a title=\"misled\" href=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/?p=668\" target=\"_blank\">misleading the cabinet member into making false statements on radio about egg pricking<\/a> and also ignoring existing policy by <a title=\"admitted\" href=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/scan0002.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">changing it without consultation.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>The conflict of interest between sports users and geese is also council managed. What do councillors make of amateur sports teams collecting goose turds in buckets and then merely dumping them in the long grass? Who has sanctioned this? Are the council happy with this practice- standing by and not bothering to remove this so called \u201chazard\u201d that could be \u201cinadvertently swallowed\u201d?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S3970028.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-1230\" src=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S3970028-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"S3970028\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" srcset=\"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S3970028-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S3970028-300x168.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/10-11-2015_0915293.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-1231\" src=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/10-11-2015_0915293.jpg\" alt=\"10-11-2015_091529(3)\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" srcset=\"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/10-11-2015_0915293.jpg 640w, https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/10-11-2015_0915293-300x168.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S3990004.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-1232\" src=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S3990004-e1463515088301-576x1024.jpg\" alt=\"S3990004\" width=\"576\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S3990004-e1463515088301-576x1024.jpg 576w, https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S3990004-e1463515088301-168x300.jpg 168w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 576px) 100vw, 576px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S3990003.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-1233\" src=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S3990003-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"S3990003\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" srcset=\"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S3990003-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S3990003-300x168.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The majority of cancelled sports fixtures are down to bad weather. It was stated at one park friends meeting that the council spent around <a title=\"minutes\" href=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/scan0011.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a3300-400,000 per annum on sports pitch maintenance<\/a>, how much is spent on nature reserve mowing?<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000; font-size: 18pt;\">Manage these areas better and stop scapegoating one species for man-made problems.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000; font-size: 18pt;\">Stop culling geese, it\u2019s some of your staff\u2019s behaviour that needs controlling!&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S5240007.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-1237\" src=\"http:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S5240007-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"S5240007\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" srcset=\"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S5240007-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S5240007-300x168.jpg 300w, https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/S5240007.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On 15th February, the same night as the council&#8217;s scrutiny committee discussed the results of the &#8220;consultation exercise&#8221; into geese and parks, we handed in a second paper petition. This concerned the council undertaking non-lethal methods of site management, and &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/?p=1223\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_links_to":"","_links_to_target":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1223"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1223"}],"version-history":[{"count":13,"href":"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1223\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1345,"href":"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1223\/revisions\/1345"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1223"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1223"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/saveoursandwellcanadageese.org.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1223"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}